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[FP-14-5]

Should Blue Light FirePolice be able to run Yellow Arrow Sticks?

[FPCAPT18]

The blue light law say's No.But a capt or lt can run an arrow-stick.

[FP15HVFD]

No they should not be able to.

Arrow sticks are for the red lights only. or in the case of police, red/blue combo.

Sorry, but everyone has to remember. A blue light is a COURTESY light. it doesn't even dignify you as an emergency vehicle.

There are exceptions, in the case of construction vehicles. The can run the amber with arrow sticks.

Sorry, but blue lights will not get any other privileges than "2 flashing or rotating lights, with 360 degree visibility."

[FP-14-5]

Indeed, that is the law and we all should follow the law. No question there...

However out dated, unreadable laws should be challenged/amended and or updated to todays requirements.

Blue light law is relevant for the Fire Fighter/ EMS however for FirePolice not allowing a Yellow Arrow Stick is a safety issue, The Tow operators and Road crews have them for a reason. We are in doing the same work that they are using the Arrow Stick for. Why is it that I have to endanger My Life and fellow Fire fighters Lives when there is a well recognized Tool available?

It's a tool, one that works, a tool to notify the motoring public way in advance of the scene that they will be required to do something different. Is that not what all the $#$%#$% signage that we are asked to place to do?

It's a Yellow light that is better scene than Blue or Red also proven to not be as distractive as Blue and Red on the side of the road. The reason Fire Trucks are now adding Yellow lights on the back of the trucks.

No they should not be able to.

Arrow sticks are for the red lights only. or in the case of police, red/blue combo.

Sorry, but everyone has to remember. A blue light is a COURTESY light. it doesn't even dignify you as an emergency vehicle.

There are exceptions, in the case of construction vehicles. The can run the amber with arrow sticks.

Sorry, but blue lights will not get any other privileges than "2 flashing or rotating lights, with 360 degree visibility."

[admin]

Only when running RED lights, not all Chiefs allow Capt/Lt to run Red/Siren.

The blue light law say's No.But a capt or lt can run an arrow-stick.

[Lt-5705]

An interesting question and one that is obviously contraversial. I'm not sure how the laws in PA are worded, but the NJ statutes are very clear with respects to blue light permits; arrow-sticks are neither forbidden or allowed. However, most counties and municipalities in NJ extend the courtesy of allowing dually sworn fire police officers to display a single "rear-facing" arrow-stick on personal vehicles in the performance of fire police duties while stationary and within the safety zone (or cone line). As was explained to me by the NJ State Police, the term "rear-facing" is what allows for a loop-hole in the NJ Title 39C motor vehicle code. Many vehicles today display "rear-facing" amber lights that flash left, right, (turn signals) or simultaneously (4-way flashers). Essentially, an amber arrow-stick functions in much the same way and absolutely provides for increased safety for both the fire police officer and the public at large. In my county, while we are fortunate to have nine marked fire police vehicles, we have 20+ members and most of them (myself included) have an arrow-stick mounted in the rear window of their respective personal vehicles. As with any volunteer organization, there is always a potential for misuse. However, our SOG's provide for serious penalties in such cases including revocation of permits, suspension, or termination in addition to legal penalties imposed by law enforcement or federal, state, county or local government.

[admin]

PA Law,

Under 75 Pa.C.S. § 4572(a) (relating to visual signals on authorized vehicles), ambulance personnel, owners and handlers of dogs used in tracking humans, and volunteer firefighters may each equip one personal vehicle with no more than two flashing or revolving blue lights or one light-bar assembly containing no more than two blue lights. Only blue lights may be used on the light-bar assembly.

However you indeed bring up a good point that I myself have considered in the past and that is today many vehicles already have Amber lights.
the PA law states this about Hazard warning systems.

Hazard warning systems and turn signals. Hazard warning systems and turn signals are not considered flashing lights for the purposes of this chapter.

Traffic control emergency directional light assemblies shall be rear-facing only and may not interfere with permanently installed lights. These assemblies may be permanently mounted on the vehicle or attached to a mounting device, in a workmanlike manner, in the following locations only:

(i) Underneath or behind light-bar assemblies.

(ii) On the rear deck, inside or outside of the vehicle.

(iii) On the trunk lid.

Interesting, this indeed may be a loop hole Traffic control directional light assemblies are not considered amber lights?